All I can say is stay away from Rise & Run for installing railing. They started off good but there was a total lack of communications with the installer. We asked for three post to be relocated and this is the quality of work I received. On top of the $3500 change fee they requested. Make sure you request a drawing before any install. I have a half finished rail Rise and Run walked away from when I refused to pay for their mistake. Photo's tell all, ask yourself if you would accept this install?